That is a clear misapplication of scripture. The underlying principle behind that text is that "the worker is worthy of his wages". Paul applied this very scripture to make the point that those ministering are deserving/entitled to benefit physically/materially for their hard work. (1 Corinthians 9:3-10)
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what do you think to this odd application of deu 25:4?
by purrpurr inat a recent meeting the scripture deu 25:4 was cited "do not muzzle a threshing bull".. it was applied to how the elders in the cong should be obeyed submissively because, they said, to go against the elders authority would be like muzzling a threshing bull???
just one of those times when i'm secretly going " huh?!
what??".
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Jehovahs witnesses help releasing house slave in Ireland
by InquiryMan intwo jws doing the right thing.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/jehovahs-witnesses-saved-woman-from-domestic-slavery-298689.html.
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Island Man
"They did a great thin[g] am[] glad the slave is now free. i know of many sincere and nice JWs...they are people too just caught up in a different coercive situation only they may not know it....yet."
Yeah, it's kind of ironic though - mental slaves who believe in an ancient book that supports/condones physical slavery, work to free a physical slave.
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Jehovahs witnesses help releasing house slave in Ireland
by InquiryMan intwo jws doing the right thing.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/jehovahs-witnesses-saved-woman-from-domestic-slavery-298689.html.
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Island Man
Weren't they going against bible principles? The bible commands slaves to be obedient to their masters with sincerety of heart and to be slaves with good inclinations. (Ephesians 6:5,7) Also slaves are to consider their owners as being worthy of full honor. (1 Timothy 6:1). The actions of these JWs in getting a slave to abandon his/her master is contrary to the aforementioned scriptural principles.
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A powerful JC recording from 1984!
by Island Man inthis jc from 1984 features a brother and his wife, who were evidently about to be df'd for apostasy.
but the brother knew his ttatt well.
the elders really couldn't muster any half-way convincing arguments to refute the damning facts on 607 and 1914. even 1975 was touched on.
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I wonder if they're on this site
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WT Study Article Nov. 23, 2014--Adam understood "day" to be 24 hours
by Cadellin ininteresting admission in today's wt: adam may have understood "day" (as in "in the day you eat from it, you will positively die") to be a literal 24-hour period.
i don't think the wt has ever said this before; the usual emphasis is that jah meant it as a figurative day, a day from his standpoint which is 1,000 years (and the article does state that, later).. however, if adam understood god's warning to be carried out in a 24 hour period, and god did nothing to alleviate that, then who did the lying?
actually, regardless of adam's understanding, the question still stands but moving toward an admission of the use of day in that context to be 24-hours only makes the question even more valid.
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Island Man
"Would Adam really have eaten from the fruit if he believed his wife was going to die that very day?"
Yes, why not? What if they thought they would die the instant they ate the fruit, as if it were poison? Eve could have told Adam, some time after eating the fruit "It's not true what God has said. We positively will not die if we eat the fruit. See! I've eaten it an hour ago and I'm still alive and furthermore, my eyes have opened. Here, try some..."
Or it could have gone something like this:
Adam: Dear wife of mine, what have you done?! Is that not the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden - the very tree of which God has said: 'you must not eat from it, for in the very day of your eating from it you will positively die'?
Eve: It is even so, Adam my lord. But behold! I'm still alive. I positively will not die!
Adam: Dear wife of mine, the sun has not yet set. There is still ample time left for you to die and I will positively be bereaved. And what good would this life of mine be if it is without you? If I cannot live with you then I will die with you. Give me a bite and let us die together... why are you gazing intently at my loins and smiling?
Eve: Oh no my lord! I was just...umm....contemplating what you were saying...yeah...that's it. My eyes just happened to be pointing in that direction while I was contemplating your very touching and romantic words.
Adam: And why do you have that leaf over your loins?
Eve: Umm....it's just a....umm....decoration....yeah....it's a decoration....you know, like the peacocks have their tail to decorate them....
Adam: [TAKES FRUIT AND TAKES A BITE] It tastes great! But it doesn't feel like...whoa! Everything looks so much more clearer! Dear wife of mine, can I have a closer look at that decoration of yours? Do you mind taking it...off...so that....um....I can....um....take a closer look at you - it...I mean it...the decoration that is...I mean what else would I be talking about? Let me try it on....
Eve: [RUNNING AWAY] No! I'm not taking it off! You get away from me. Go get your own!
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WT Study Article Nov. 23, 2014--Adam understood "day" to be 24 hours
by Cadellin ininteresting admission in today's wt: adam may have understood "day" (as in "in the day you eat from it, you will positively die") to be a literal 24-hour period.
i don't think the wt has ever said this before; the usual emphasis is that jah meant it as a figurative day, a day from his standpoint which is 1,000 years (and the article does state that, later).. however, if adam understood god's warning to be carried out in a 24 hour period, and god did nothing to alleviate that, then who did the lying?
actually, regardless of adam's understanding, the question still stands but moving toward an admission of the use of day in that context to be 24-hours only makes the question even more valid.
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Island Man
" Actually, I would differ with you on that one point, Island Man . Eve says to the serpent, "God says we will die in the day of our eating it." The serpent says, "You positively will not die." The only way this would not be saying that God was lying is if the serpent knew that God had misspoken earlier. God: "Oh, did I say you would die ? My bad, I meant to say you would cry .""
I'm not denying that Satan's words could be taken as implying that God is a liar. The point that I'm making is that he did not explicitly say so. But JWs are quick to accuse him of lying due to what he implied. Yet the same JWs turn a blind eye to the organization's clear implications that the end is coming in 1975, by saying the org never actually explicitly said it in print. In other words, the org hypocritically takes Satan to task for his insinuations, yet they excuse their own false insinuations about 1975 on the technicality that they never explicitly spelled it out. They judge Satan harshly for his insinuations but hypocritically give themselves a free pass for their own false prophetic insinuations. When it's Satan, insinuations are as good as an outright statement. But when it comes to Watchtower's false prophecies, an insinuation is not as good as an outright statement. They are hypocrites!
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Tower of Babel built by Babies!
by Billy the Ex-Bethelite inthe weekly tms bible reading assignment is not read, or not carefully read, by most of the sheeples.
it doesn't really matter, because the consideration of the bible reading material is one of the shortest parts on the meeting with a limited number of comments, and those comments are restricted to less than 30 seconds or you will get counselled.
over and over, the dubs are told to read the bible, yet the organization gives no real encouragement to read the bible by keeping everyone busy in the recruiting work and using relatively few scriptures in their "talks".. why?
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Island Man
No wonder it's called the tower of babel. "Goochy goo goo geee baba block towa..."
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WT Study Article Nov. 23, 2014--Adam understood "day" to be 24 hours
by Cadellin ininteresting admission in today's wt: adam may have understood "day" (as in "in the day you eat from it, you will positively die") to be a literal 24-hour period.
i don't think the wt has ever said this before; the usual emphasis is that jah meant it as a figurative day, a day from his standpoint which is 1,000 years (and the article does state that, later).. however, if adam understood god's warning to be carried out in a 24 hour period, and god did nothing to alleviate that, then who did the lying?
actually, regardless of adam's understanding, the question still stands but moving toward an admission of the use of day in that context to be 24-hours only makes the question even more valid.
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Island Man
"I wonder why, when commanded to be fruitful, Adam and Eve were not at it like bunnies.? I am amazed that Eve did not have a bun in the oven straight away."
What makes you think they weren't at it right away? The bible doesn't tell us how soon Adam and Eve sinned after Eve's creation. A few days could have elapsed between her creation and them sinning and her subsequently getting pregnant. Not every act of intercourse results in conception, you know.
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WT Study Article Nov. 23, 2014--Adam understood "day" to be 24 hours
by Cadellin ininteresting admission in today's wt: adam may have understood "day" (as in "in the day you eat from it, you will positively die") to be a literal 24-hour period.
i don't think the wt has ever said this before; the usual emphasis is that jah meant it as a figurative day, a day from his standpoint which is 1,000 years (and the article does state that, later).. however, if adam understood god's warning to be carried out in a 24 hour period, and god did nothing to alleviate that, then who did the lying?
actually, regardless of adam's understanding, the question still stands but moving toward an admission of the use of day in that context to be 24-hours only makes the question even more valid.
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Island Man
The admission that Adam believed he would die in that literal day has strong implications for Adam's culpability for the suffering of all mankind. If Adam believed that he would die that day, then being childless at the time, he would have also believed that only he - not countless future generations - would die for eating the fruit. It is therefore unfair to hold Adam guilty for all the death and suffereing that has happened throughout the centuries, because he did not knowingly do this. So when JWs blame Adam for bringing suffering on mankind, it would be good to remind them that Adam did not deliberately and knowingly bring suffering on all mankind as he believed he was only killing himself.
Another interesting point is how they stated that Satan accused God of lying. Actually, Satan never told Eve that God had lied - Just as Watchtower literature never said the end was coming in 1975. (Get my drift?) Yet the JWs are quick to say that Satan accused God of lying, but quick to deny that Watchtower said the end would come in 1975. Do you see the hypocrisy of Watchtower?
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Woman was created first! It's science.
by wannabefree inwoman was created first.. every human being has 46 chromosomes arranged in 23 pairs, the first twenty two are autosomes, or matching, the twenty third pair matches in the female (xx), however, the male is mismatched (xy).. notice what is missing from that second x?
yes, one of its ribs has been removed.. clearly, in a female, since all are matching pairs, it makes sense that woman was created first as the male xy combination is the mutated pair.
why would god create the mismatched dna first?
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Island Man
The Eden story was presumably not trying to say something about male anatomy when Adam had a rib taken from him, but only about Adam 's anatomy. In other words, it wasn't an explanation of why men have one less rib, but was just intended to show that Eve was made from Adam (which was the way a patriarchal society would prefer to think of things as having happened).
The book of Genesis clearly has the explaining of certain puzzling questions as one of its goals. Questions like why snakes crawl on their bellies, why women have painful childbirth, why rainbows appear, etc. It is an anatomical fact that men have one less rib or one short stubby rib (can't remember which it is, exactly). It is very likely that this fact came to the notice of the ancients and story about Eve being made from a rib of Adam is an attempt at explaining this particular oddity of the make skeletal anatomy. Even if it wasn't the main point of the text it was probably an intended secondary point. Think about it: The writer could have chosen any other part of the male anatomy for God to remove as tissue for creating Eve. Do you really think the writer just coincidentally happened to choose the rib which conveniently hints at an explanation for why men have one less rib or one short stubby rib?